Other Vehicles You Are (Fo' Real) Contemplating...

[7milesout]

One that doesn't burn fossil fuel in order to charge. And one that isn't destroying the earth digging holes to hell with tractors and trucks that are burning fossil fuels in order to find a couple grams of battery material. One that isn't going to be sitting in a landfill with a quite large battery pollutionizing the ground all around. I don't think their batteries will be recycled, not on a large scale anyway.

Not that I think a gas burner is innocent of all pollution charges, I just don't think a Tata is green just because it doesn't consume petroleum directly for propulsion.

[Grumpy Bear]

Nissan Versa S 5 speed manual. Unicorns but still a few for 2024.

[7milesout]

Nissan Versa S 5 speed manual. Unicorns but still a few for 2024.

And I like that vehicle. But it has a gas guzzler monster 4-banger for an engine. But a very worth vehicle, in 5-speed form.

[Eggman]

One that doesn't burn fossil fuel in order to charge. And one that isn't destroying the earth digging holes to hell with tractors and trucks that are burning fossil fuels in order to find a couple grams of battery material. One that isn't going to be sitting in a landfill with a quite large battery pollutionizing the ground all around. I don't think their batteries will be recycled, not on a large scale anyway.

Not that I think a gas burner is innocent of all pollution charges, I just don't think a Tata is green just because it doesn't consume petroleum directly for propulsion.

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. EVs still require certain mineral resources to be what they are. The difference is they are much more efficient in the use of those resources than current ICE technology. For a loose example EVs are able to use roughly 80% of the energy consumed in propulsion. ICEs waste 80% in heat and other losses (and those are the efficient ones…)

It’s amusing and interesting to listen to people criticize the mineral extraction process for lithium and other stuff that goes into the batteries but those same critics don’t seem to even bat an eye at fossil fuel extraction. So long as they can fill up the Jeep, it’s all good.

Charge up using solar panels if you want - the electricity doesn’t have to be generated by fossil fuels. Use wind, nuclear or hydrogen. It can be done - put some on your house and watch your electric meter spin backwards.

EV batteries can be recycled. This infrastructure is just getting started. Gasoline infrastructure has had a 150-year head start. EVs have a lot of catching up to do.

Once fossil fuels are consumed, they’re gone. There’s no recycling them. If you think things are bleak now, just wait until all the dinosaur bones are used up. That reality started to hit around 2007 with Peak Oil. It’s only a matter of time before it comes back worse than before.

We need to figure something out to learn to live beyond the petroleum economy. The Mirage is a step in the right direction. EVs might not be the final answer but they’re also a step in the right direction.

[Fummins]

Well, I've given up on getting a Tesla for now. The ones I can afford aren't really what I'd want.

So back to either do nothing, or maybe look at that Bolt I found a while ago. If it's still for sale. Seems like it could be a bargain, at least for these parts. $21k, 3 sets of wheels, upgraded 66kwh battery replaced with new 8 year warranty(when that was done I know not??), 77k miles on car, has the dc "fast"(still slow compared to tesla) charge option. Next week I'll want a Dodge hornet....

[7milesout]

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. EVs still require certain mineral resources to be what they are. The difference is they are much more efficient in the use of those resources than current ICE technology. For a loose example EVs are able to use roughly 80% of the energy consumed in propulsion. ICEs waste 80% in heat and other losses (and those are the efficient ones…)

It’s amusing and interesting to listen to people criticize the mineral extraction process for lithium and other stuff that goes into the batteries but those same critics don’t seem to even bat an eye at fossil fuel extraction. So long as they can fill up the Jeep, it’s all good.

Charge up using solar panels if you want - the electricity doesn’t have to be generated by fossil fuels. Use wind, nuclear or hydrogen. It can be done - put some on your house and watch your electric meter spin backwards.

EV batteries can be recycled. This infrastructure is just getting started. Gasoline infrastructure has had a 150-year head start. EVs have a lot of catching up to do.

Once fossil fuels are consumed, they’re gone. There’s no recycling them. If you think things are bleak now, just wait until all the dinosaur bones are used up. That reality started to hit around 2007 with Peak Oil. It’s only a matter of time before it comes back worse than before.

We need to figure something out to learn to live beyond the petroleum economy. The Mirage is a step in the right direction. EVs might not be the final answer but they’re also a step in the right direction.

My Blueberry only wastes 78% to heat. 79% because it's so darn spectacular. And 78% because I keep the heat on and absorb the heat into my body, whether I want to or not. NOW THAT'S EFFICIENCY!

Note, I mentioned that I don't think gas burners are innocent of doing damage to the environment. But I will mention that my opinion is, I don't believe petroleum comes from dinosaurs. There's no way in heck we wouldn't have drained all the petroleum long ago, if it were just from dinosaurs. If it were from dinosaurs, then when they were alive, they would have had to lived stacked on top of each other, 10 stories (of dinosaurs) high, for generations. And I don't believe we will run out of petroleum for a long long time, centuries. And may never run out. Sooner or later we'll determine much better forms of transportation. In 500 years, we may have vehicles that run on some kind of NUKEULAR fusion. And those people alive then will think that the people living in 1950 to 2100 were some of the dumbest idiots to ever walk the earth, to zip around in metal cans crashing into and killing each other.

Charging up on solar panels is not a bad idea. However, after every 0-60 in 1.9 second run, you'd have to hook up to solar panels for what, 8 hours or something to top off that 1.9 second fury of acceleration. I exaggerate maybe, but you get the point.

The put some on your house thing ain't all what it's cracked up to be. Some local yocals convinced the mother-in-law that our trusty gobment will be paying her for her energy if she would put up solar panels. So she did, at least either in part at her expense, or all at her expense (and I think she's waiting on our trusty gobments to subsidize her, but doesn't seem to be happening). And she says so far, they've manage to only cut down on her 'lectric bill. She hasn't seen a dime. Said local yocals just wanted revenue. M-I-L is gullible.

[Wallythacker]

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. EVs still require certain mineral resources to be what they are. The difference is they are much more efficient in the use of those resources than current ICE technology. For a loose example EVs are able to use roughly 80% of the energy consumed in propulsion. ICEs waste 80% in heat and other losses (and those are the efficient ones…)

It’s amusing and interesting to listen to people criticize the mineral extraction process for lithium and other stuff that goes into the batteries but those same critics don’t seem to even bat an eye at fossil fuel extraction. So long as they can fill up the Jeep, it’s all good.

Charge up using solar panels if you want - the electricity doesn’t have to be generated by fossil fuels. Use wind, nuclear or hydrogen. It can be done - put some on your house and watch your electric meter spin backwards.

EV batteries can be recycled. This infrastructure is just getting started. Gasoline infrastructure has had a 150-year head start. EVs have a lot of catching up to do.

Once fossil fuels are consumed, they’re gone. There’s no recycling them. If you think things are bleak now, just wait until all the dinosaur bones are used up. That reality started to hit around 2007 with Peak Oil. It’s only a matter of time before it comes back worse than before.

We need to figure something out to learn to live beyond the petroleum economy. The Mirage is a step in the right direction. EVs might not be the final answer but they’re also a step in the right direction.

The EV infrastructure build out in 10 years basically surpasses the ICE infra that took 100 years. Well maybe not 100 but at least 75. I start the clock at 1900. I would say from what I recall about service stations in 75 that EVs are at least there. It bet parity is achieved within 10 years. You can argue no ICE can be refueled at home, and that's true so EVs have already surpassed ICE for convenience

[7milesout]

so EVs have already surpassed ICE for convenience

I want some of what YOU'RE smoking. My knees hurt, and I'm fat, bad ugly and worthless.

[Fummins]

I'm always on the lookout for a bargain or a "better car". I'd still want to get a dual motor performance Model S one day but I don't want to pay 45k for a 10 year old one. So that'll probably never happen.

In the meantime, I found a 2019 Bolt that had the battery replacement(with new 8 year warranty) recall done so that's a bonus.

I've never driven an ev but it seems to be the way to go after the Mirage... The previous owner of my Mirage had a Niro-hybrid and a Bolt iirc. Eggman has a model 3.

I don't drive nearly enough to ever save any money unless the price of fuel keeps going up, it's sure not going to be going the other way. At current prices $1.60/L(on average) I pay about $1100/ year for fuel in the Mirage commuting to work, and about $100-150 on maintenance(if that). Just for shats I'll bump odds and ends up to $500/year, fuel to $1500 so $2000 on the high end to drive a Mirage a lot. If I had the ability to charge an ev for free(not likely) it'd still take 5 years to pay for the car, which actually doesn't seem that bad as long as the car wouldn't require any repairs or maintenance whatsoever. I wouldn't buy an ev to save money or the planet cause that's not happening...I'd want one just for some of the features and to go fast, and be cheap to drive, in theory. Being able to hop into a pre-warmed up car in the winter would sure be nice. Not having to worry about oil changes and fueling up would be handy too, though I rarely do either of those things as is it. Having the ability to charge up at home would be nice, losing the ability to hop in and go anywhere anytime wouldn't be a problem as I don't really go anywhere unplanned anyways. And we have other vehicles anyways.

Any*****...

Here's the car. 2019 Bolt 124k km(77k miles) $21k($15k usd).

https://www.kijijiautos.ca/cars/chev.../#vip=31582917

Turns out the "new" battery was replaced 2 years ago so there's 6 years of battery warranty remaining? Or so I'm told. I might go look at it this weekend. I don't know anything about ev's, ideally I'd like to make sure the charging stuff works as it should and the battery/motor aren't effed, but I'm clueless so would be going in blind. I don't know if it'd even be possible to plug in my scanner to check for any pending, current or previous stored codes? The three sets of wheels thing might be worth something.

All I know about these things is the batteries used to catch fire, they upgraded them so they now have 65 or 66 kwh instead of the original 60. The majority of the 2020 and newer bolts only got a software update instead of complete battery replacement so the 2019 and olders ones are somewhat more appealing(unless they catch fire too...).

I'm just bored of my Mirage. It's practical and saves me money but I am not practical.

I like the idea of being able to charge from home but don't know if I(we) would actually save any money using electrocity at home vs fueling up the Mirage. Power isn't exactly cheap and I don't think we get lower rates at night time/non-peak hours like people do in other parts of the continent. Afaik we pay the same regardless of what a clock reads but our rates change monthly(non-fixed rate plan). Spending $20k+ on solar panels and battery banks to charge a car isn't in the budget. Especially when I want to move within 10 years anyways.

Change my mind lol

I need more vehicles so I can keep up with some of you with 5+ vehicles. I feel left out.

[7milesout]

You could run a power cord to your neighbor's house outside outlet. Get a white cord for winter and run it before snow hits ... in late August. It'll be good until what, late June? Seriously, your power bill shouldn't go up much or not at all. Why do want go and be all, "my electric bill will go up" negative about it. You're welcome.

I only have 5+ cars on accident. Not my fault.